Sustainable investors appear more comfortable with defense stocks
CEO of Swedish defence and security company Saab, Micael Johansson, speaks during the presentation of Saab’s interim report on February 9, 2024 in Stockholm.
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Russia’s ongoing war in Ukraine has resulted in a profound shift in the way defense stocks are viewed by mission-driven fund managers, according to two European defense giants.
Defense stocks have typically been excluded from portfolios based on environmental, social and governance (ESG) factors due to ethical concerns over their association with warfare.
In recent months, however, ESG fund managers appear to have become increasingly comfortable with holding defense companies — at a time of soaring industry profits and higher defense spending, as governments respond to elevated geopolitical risk.
Nonetheless, the inclusion of defense stocks in sustainably-minded portfolios remains controversial.
Micael Johansson, CEO of the Swedish defense and security company Saab, said Russia’s decision to launch a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022 had brought about a “dramatic” change in the ESG debate.
“I think we had, like, 45,000 to 50,000 shareholders before this tragic war happened and now, we have, like, beyond 175,000 shareholders. Of course, the interest in investing in us is very different now, but there is still some sort of hesitation in the market,” Johansson told CNBC’s Silvia Amaro on Aug. 21.
It’s really important that we see the role that defense companies play in protecting a free society.
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Chief financial officer at BAE Systems
Johansson said some pension funds, for example, were still unwilling to invest in defense stocks, adding that there hasn’t been a sudden “all-in” approach to recognizing defense firms as sustainable businesses.
“Not everyone is viewing it that way. There is still more to do in that area, which is to me really frustrating … because if you don’t have any security and a deterrents effect, then you can’t talk about the ESG from other perspectives. That’s sort of the foundation of sustainability in my eye,” Johansson said.
Shares of Saab, which produces missiles, submarines and fighter jets, have skyrocketed since the start of Russia’s war with Ukraine — up around 330% between Feb. 20, 2022 and Aug. 29, 2024.
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“Traditionally, ESG investors and especially retail investors do not want to be associated with companies that produce weapons,” Ida Kassa Johannesen, head of commercial ESG at Saxo Bank, told CNBC via videoconference.
“Ultimately, [these are] companies that cause the death of people [and] innocent victims in the Middle East at the moment, in wars waged in Africa, for example in [the Democratic Republic of the] Congo, and a few other places in the world. Retail investors just do not want to have anything to do with these types of companies.”
As a result, Johannesen said that fund managers have typically been reluctant to include some defense stocks in their portfolios…
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